basic tactics for tank destroyers

Sixth sense and cammo for your crews is a must coupled with cammo sit turret down
Ive had tanks as close as 100 meters who didnt see me with this
Get some optical aids binos etc
Train your crews in accuracy and add add ons that help your guns accuracy or loading speed
I love TD's
Took out a Hertzer last night with one hit at 450 meters of course it was followed by a barrage of 'cheater gold ammo premium BOT hacker' abuse!
Push trees over to add a little extra cammo but remember arty might be watching!
Try and sneak up to view arty spots risky but helps the team i reverse up to the lip of high ground so able to make the fastest retreating escape as possible if needed
Use heavies for cover you then double up their gun power etc
My pennies worth

Interested in TDs.. which TDs do u recommend the most.. i need a line to follow.. ppl recommended the UK and the german lines.. whats the difference between the different lines?

AMERICA, i'm saving up for a hellcat. the other TD's are great to

Love the tds, think ive had the most success playing them over other tanks so far. I tend to use gun rammer, binocs and cammo net on them all(except the british line), i train 1st crew skill as cammo then switch commander to sixth sense when he gets to 100%.

the German line of td's are fairly well rounded and have pretty good pen stats... simple as that
the English td's on the other hand are "gods of front armour" (only after tier4) they have really good front armour (tier 5 "at2" has 200mm) but suffer at speed, making nice targets for arty, and little under average penstats compared to the other nations td's

Here's a good one tip how to be a good TD driver and how does camouflage really work.

The Basics


There are 3 levels of camo for every tenk besides skuat tenks which only have 2 levels of camo

Stationary Camouflage - the value of camouflage while stationary ( Which means when you're not moving )

Movement Camouflage - the value of camouflage while moving, which can be up to half of the stationary value. Speed does not matter to camo values to you can buzz around at 50Km destroying ditches and flattening dog houses you're still just as stealthy as the guys going at 3km inching forward. However this doesn't apply to light tanks because skaut tanks got HAXs and have the same camo while moving as stationary.

Firing Camouflage - the value of camouflage while firing, you're firing a big ass freaking cannon did you expect to stay hidden behind that bush
This can give up to an 80% reduction from static camouflage.

Camo values of specific tanks
This tends to vary a lot by tank but's you can get a rough estimate by the silhouette of the tank , odds are if it's bigger than a house you're going to need a house to hide it but then there a few oddities where large tanks have good camo ratings and these have been decided on by the devs for balance.

Thats all very well but I still don't understand how the hell is it actually implemented
Camouflage works by decreasing the enemies view range around your tank by a percentage.
A Vickers Medium Mk. Ihas a stationary camo value of X% which means a Vickers Medium Mk. I parked in the middle of Malinovoka will need the spotter to come X% closer to it to see it than a Vickers Medium Mk. I charging across Malinovka at full speed.
On the flip side the Maus has a 1% camo value while stationary so you're better off in full blitzkrieg mode than trying to hide that beast

Then there is additive camo bonuses and multiplicative camo bonuses.

Additive : Give a fixed percentage bonus. Trees and Bushes can give up to a 60% fixed bonus depending on the bush/tree in question. There was talk of the camo net being changed to an additive bonus but I don't know if it was implemented yet

Multiplicative (It's a word alright !! ) : Camo skill , crew skill , camo skin bonus , vents bonus ect ect. You get the base camo of the tank and multiply it by the values provided by the above. This is the reason people don't train Camo on the Maus and don't put on Camo nets ect on big tanks because you're getting a crappy pay off compared with a Chaffee getting pimped out in camo boosting equipment. As said above I don't know which the camo net falls under any more

Bushes and Trees
When you park your tank in a bush you're screaming out to the world that you're a noob and rightfully so.
For bushes to be effective you need to park behind the bush and have every portion of your tank hidden by the bush


I'm behind the bush and not in the bush , why are people still shooting me ?
Because the 5 second rule applies here and it's not the picking food up from the floor and eating it 5 second rule
When you fire within 15m of the front of a bush (you will know this because the bush is opaque) ,it loses it's hiding ability and it takes 5 seconds to start providing camo effect again. When you break that camouflage by firing your gun it will take 5 seconds to regain your bonus.

Key things to note:

When you fire your gun directly behind a bush, the bush camouflage bonus (of the best bush within 15m of you) is reduced to 30% of its initial value. All other bushes (within 15m) disappear. A good way to avoid this, is to sit 15m behind the bush before firing or get a bush that is 15m infront of your bush. Don't expect to see crap with two bushes in front of you however so you will need a spotter.
Fallen trees act like bushes , standing trees only hide things above you like on the hill going up malinovoka and trees don't double bush so be aware of that

What you can do to increase your camo values

You can pay for it

The camo skins give a 5% bonus to the 3 different camo values and as such are always a good idea for any stealthy tank. Please don't be retarded and complain about how your sexy custom anime skin doesn't work on Dragons Ridge, only WG sold skins in the garage that everybody can see will work

You can train your crew

The Camouflage Crew Skill increases your camo value and is constantly active. For it to achieve maximum effect all crew members must be trained in it. If they are not, the impact is calculated as a percentage of overall Crew Skill. If 3 of your 5 men are trained in Camouflage, you receive 3/5ths of its maximum benefit (60%). Which is how WG completely screwed over owners of the T-50-2 in that patch.
The base crew skill, also does affect the camouflage rating of your tank. A 50% crew has less camo than a 100% crew but then I don't think this really applies to people by the time they get past tier 4.

Buy more stuff for credits this time

Vents will increase your camo value by improving all bonuses to your crew
The camo net will provide a bonus used of 25%

Can I hide My Maus behind this hause ?

The answer is yes if the house is bigger than the tank
However once a tank gets within 50m of you , you're going to be proxy spotted.

How not to be an annoying fucking retard in random games

When you see a bush with a player behind it , don't think yippee free bush and drive straight into it , you're blocking your teammates line of sight, you're not hiding yourself properly and theres also the chance that the player you blocked may get annoyed and shoot you. So remember when going into a bush be observant of others and respect that they might have gotten to your favourite spot before you, don't ram them or grief them move on and find another spot !

Bush awareness saves lives

^^^^^^

Really good post John.

Also add in, if you drive a heavy tank pls don't go and park your arse behind the tank destroyers who are trying to snipe, you will just attract all the attention in the world to his location.......this does my head in